12th MALAYSIAN GENERAL ELECTIONS - SELAMAT MENGUNDI!!!

[mrfeelgood]

Woke up dis morning, read the papers & almost fell off my chair... 

BN lost Kedah, Perak & Selangor 2 the opposition.  Wow!!! the people must be really cheesed off with the present leadership. Losing Penang wasn't really a shocker 2 me .... & Kelantan - Well!! UMNO wud need divine intervention 2 get back Kelantan ... 

But Kedah, Perak & Selangor - losing all 3 states in one go?  If Pak Lah doesn't get the hint, then wat they say about him being clueless must be true. 

Really! don't u juz love Malaysians - Even when we protest, we do it  our way - " lepak style" - doing wat needs 2 be done quietly ..  Bloodless coup thro' the Ballot Box ... Revolution the Msian way!!!  ... 

Well!! one thing is 4 sure ... democracy is alive & kicking in Msia! The silent majority has spoken & indeed its become a deafening voice not 2 be taken 4 granted.

Traditionally safe UMNO seats going to the opposition - I can only see it as a sign that the silent non-UMNOputera Malays are protesting ... UMNO members shud take notice of this when they go 4 the UMNO General Elections later dis year.  AND hopefully they're not as clueless.

[amir]

The people has voted and the people has decided.

Hopefully, the vanquished will show dignity in defeat, and the victors will be humbled in their hour of triumph.

In an unprecedented chapter of our history, the real work has just begun for PKR, DAP and PAS. Together they must show us the better way in terms of power sharing, a better way forward towards a more harmonious and prosperous Malaysia.

None of them won alone. Their partnership is untried and untested. I pray good sense will prevail among them. The new govts of the respective state under their care must demonstrate a holistic approach towards development and nation-building.

For our nation to move forward, we must bear one another's burden. The marginalised must be incorporated into the mainstream. Then only will our society be safe.

[mr.tee75]

Another historic MERDEKA with a bloodless coup!

We Malaysians have again done it our way - LEPAK STYLE even when we revolt.

Bless my fellow Malaysians. Bless my country.

 

[amir]

But Kedah, Perak & Selangor - losing all 3 states in one go?  If Pak Lah doesn't get the hint, then wat they say about him being clueless must be true. 

The most honourable thing for Pak Lah to do is to resign and pass the party leadership to Najib.

Pak Lah harus menerima haikat bahawa kepimpinannya telah di tolak oleh rakyat.

Kalau beliau mempuyai maruah diri, beliau harus letakan jawatan. Bukankah itu yang dilakukan oleh Allahyarham TunKu Abdul Rahman, Bapa Merdeka, yang telah memberi laluan kepada Tuk Razak, timbalannya untuk menerajui Umno setelah Perikatant kehilangan banyak kerusi DUN dan Parlimen dalam pilihan raya 1969.

[amir]

excepts taken from another website:

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TDM : Pak Lah Should Take Full Responsibiliy

Abdullah Ahmad Badawi should accept full responsibillity for the BN's defeat and losses in the general election, said former Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad.
Just as Abdullah had, in the 2004 general election, accepted 100 per cent the BN's huge victory credited to him.

Dr Mahathir said (in such a situation) the Japanese would have committed harakiri.

"But I think Malays are not up to this yet. I think he should consider stepping down," he said.

Asked whether he would step down if he were in Abdullah's shoes, Dr Mahathir said he would because it was the wishes of the people.

Dr Mahathir said Abdullah had destroyed Umno.
"He has destroyed BN, and he should be responsible for this massive defeat," he told a news conference held at his residence at The Mines in Seri Kembangan late this morning.
Present, besides reporters from the mainstream and foreign media, were bloggers from the new media.

Dr Mahathir said it was shocking that the BN lost in five states and the Federal Territory, indicating that all the Malays, Chinese and Indians rejected the coalition.

To a question of whether he thought Abdullah would step down anytime soon, he said he doubted that seeing that Abdullah remained detached from the real situation and from the fact that the people do not support his leadership.

This was because those who should have told him the truth were not doing so.

Dr Mahathir said that it should also be noted that the vote against the BN could not be literally translated as support for the opposition per se.

"There was no other alternative for the people but to vote for the opposition."

To another question, Dr Mahathir said it was up to Umno to decide on Abdullah' successor should he step down.

He also noted the "amazing victory" of Umno deputy president Najib Razak who obtained an increased majority in Pekan.

"His majority increased while Abdullah's decreased quite significantly," he remarked.

On whether the simple majority obtained by the BNwould affect investors' confidence, Dr Mahathir said it would as such a government was a weak government, especially in a multi-racial country and this could cause instability.

Dr Mahathir remarked that he himself had not expected BN's huge losses.

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I like this statement best:-

Dr Mahathir said (in such a situation) the Japanese would have committed harakiri.

.... "But I think Malays are not up to this yet. I think he should consider stepping down," he said. .....

 

[mr.tee75]

excepts taken from another website:

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TDM : Pak Lah Should Take Full Responsibiliy

Abdullah Ahmad Badawi should accept full responsibillity for the BN's defeat and losses in the general election, said former Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad.
Just as Abdullah had, in the 2004 general election, accepted 100 per cent the BN's huge victory credited to him.

Dr Mahathir said (in such a situation) the Japanese would have committed harakiri.

"But I think Malays are not up to this yet. I think he should consider stepping down," he said.

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hmmmm!!! Case of "pot calling the kettle black" ?!! 

[AnaRashid]

Life must go on.I voted the opposition in the very recent election and I don't mind admiting this. I voted for the ruling coalition 2 elections ago, and at the election after that, my votes were split.

Why? Because I vote for the personality and not the party. And specific to the recent elections, because I feel its about time our Parliment sees and hear more voices from the opposition - not to just oppose everything that the ruling party does but for more check and balances. 

For when there are too many members of the same team in the playing field, the trend is for one to outshine the other. Things are done to show off ones' talents and achievements and instead of healthy debates, we have childish bickering and fights, shouting matches even. And after that, we find that no solutions are derived. They apologise - kiss and make up and go for coffee together to laugh off their childish behaviour.

Everything that is proposed gets the "Aye" from members of the floor because they are all on the same team. Never mind that the idea is NOT what the public wants or need...

So now lets see and hear more matured debates in the parliment. More careful thoughts presented in the debates. More solutions derived and not mere opposing of ideas for the sake of "menjatuhkan kawan"...

Its just too bad the voices of the non-Bumiputras are now more from the opposition, though.

[mrfeelgood]

The following report was taken from the STARonline:

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2008/3/10/north/20596683&sec=north

Zam: Protest voters cause defeat

[mr.tee75]

The following report was taken from the STARonline:

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2008/3/10/north/20596683&sec=north

Zam: Protest voters cause defeat

hehehe!! he's in denial or probably he's delusional ...  but whatevr it is, i think he's got thick skull ..ermm!! nope, i think thick skin's the better word lah...

[mr.tee75]

but on a more serious note ...

i read this posting at another forum, with all these calls asking for pak lah's resignation, this post does make some sense.

reposting it here  ........

LIKE IT OR NOT, WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT PAK LAH WAS ELECTED BY A MAJORITY OF FELLOWS M'SAINS TO LEAD THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION, SO BE IT.

ITS ALSO A FACT THAT TDM & THE UMNO WARLORDS KNEW UMNO IS AILING & CAN'T HEAL BY ITSELF.

BUT FOR THE FACT THAT TDM TO HAVE A PRESS CONFERENCE & ASK THE PPL TO PRESSURE HIM TO TENDER HIS RESIGNATION IS THE MOST IRRESPONSIBLE THING TO DO.

FOR THIS IS UMNO PROBLEM,LET UMNO ITSELF DECIDE WHO THEY WANT FOR A PRESIDENT & AS THE NEXT PM, WHETHER THROUGH AN EGM OR DURING THEIR NEXT GENERAL MEETING. LET THEIR SUPREME COUNCIL HANDLE THEIR OWN PROBLEM.

WE ALREADY ACHIEVED OUR OBJECTIVE, TO DENY THE COALITION A 2/3 MAJORITY. OUR NEXT MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO ASSIST THE ELECTED BARISAN RAKYAT CANDIDATES TO FULFILL THEIR OBLIGATIONS/PROMISES TO THE PPL IN THOSE 5 STATES.

SO DON'T GET THE PPL INVOLVE WITH UMNO INTERNAL PROBLEM...ITS NOT OUR FIGHT. AND IF WE ARE NOT CAREFUL & GET SUCKED INTO THEIR DILEMMA... IT MIGHT LEAD TO A TERRIBLE SETBACK. FOR WE MIGHT NOT BE AWARE THERE COULD BE SOME UNSCRUPULOUS INDIVIDUALS WILL USE THIS INTERFERENCE BY THE PPL AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCITE RACIAL DISCORD.

AFTER LAST NIGHT, WE FINALLY SAW A GLIMMER OF HOPE THAT WE... THE MALAYS, THE CHINESE, THE INDIANS & THE REST OF M'SIANS COULD UNITE & BE AS ONE... AS BANGSA MALAYSIA.

LET NO ONE UNDO WHAT WE HAVE ACHIEVED SO FAR... OTHERWISE ALL OUR EFFORT & HARD WORK FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS WILL BE A WASTE... A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE WASTE.

LET US LEAVE THIS UMNO INTERNAL BICKERING TO THEMSELVES & JUST HELP OUR BROTHERS IN PKR, DAP, PAS TO CHART A BETTER FUTURE FOR OUR CHILDRENS & GRANDCHILDRENS.

[mrfeelgood]

ELECTIONS TRIVIA!! ELECTIONS TRIVIA!! ELECTIONS TRIVIA!!

[idzil]

LIKE IT OR NOT, WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT PAK LAH WAS ELECTED BY A MAJORITY OF FELLOWS M'SAINS TO LEAD THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION, SO BE IT.

ITS ALSO A FACT THAT TDM & THE UMNO WARLORDS KNEW UMNO IS AILING & CAN'T HEAL BY ITSELF.

BUT FOR THE FACT THAT TDM TO HAVE A PRESS CONFERENCE & ASK THE PPL TO PRESSURE HIM TO TENDER HIS RESIGNATION IS THE MOST IRRESPONSIBLE THING TO DO.

FOR THIS IS UMNO PROBLEM,LET UMNO ITSELF DECIDE WHO THEY WANT FOR A PRESIDENT & AS THE NEXT PM, WHETHER THROUGH AN EGM OR DURING THEIR NEXT GENERAL MEETING. LET THEIR SUPREME COUNCIL HANDLE THEIR OWN PROBLEM.

WE ALREADY ACHIEVED OUR OBJECTIVE, TO DENY THE COALITION A 2/3 MAJORITY. OUR NEXT MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO ASSIST THE ELECTED BARISAN RAKYAT CANDIDATES TO FULFILL THEIR OBLIGATIONS/PROMISES TO THE PPL IN THOSE 5 STATES.

SO DON'T GET THE PPL INVOLVE WITH UMNO INTERNAL PROBLEM...ITS NOT OUR FIGHT. AND IF WE ARE NOT CAREFUL & GET SUCKED INTO THEIR DILEMMA... IT MIGHT LEAD TO A TERRIBLE SETBACK. FOR WE MIGHT NOT BE AWARE THERE COULD BE SOME UNSCRUPULOUS INDIVIDUALS WILL USE THIS INTERFERENCE BY THE PPL AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCITE RACIAL DISCORD.

AFTER LAST NIGHT, WE FINALLY SAW A GLIMMER OF HOPE THAT WE... THE MALAYS, THE CHINESE, THE INDIANS & THE REST OF M'SIANS COULD UNITE & BE AS ONE... AS BANGSA MALAYSIA.

LET NO ONE UNDO WHAT WE HAVE ACHIEVED SO FAR... OTHERWISE ALL OUR EFFORT & HARD WORK FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS WILL BE A WASTE... A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE WASTE.

LET US LEAVE THIS UMNO INTERNAL BICKERING TO THEMSELVES & JUST HELP OUR BROTHERS IN PKR, DAP, PAS TO CHART A BETTER FUTURE FOR OUR CHILDRENS & GRANDCHILDRENS.

This would only be relevant if you're not an umno member or an umno supporter.  I believe there were umno members who did not go out to vote as a sign of protest and umno supporters ( who are non-umno members ) who swung their votes in protest of umno, sending a signal that they wanted changes in umno. So let's all wait and see what's going to happen this coming umno's general elections.

I have to agree that it was the protest votes that made the difference.

 

[idzil]

Life must go on.I voted the opposition in the very recent election and I don't mind admiting this. I voted for the ruling coalition 2 elections ago, and at the election after that, my votes were split.

Why? Because I vote for the personality and not the party. And specific to the recent elections, because I feel its about time our Parliment sees and hear more voices from the opposition - not to just oppose everything that the ruling party does but for more check and balances. 

For when there are too many members of the same team in the playing field, the trend is for one to outshine the other. Things are done to show off ones' talents and achievements and instead of healthy debates, we have childish bickering and fights, shouting matches even. And after that, we find that no solutions are derived. They apologise - kiss and make up and go for coffee together to laugh off their childish behaviour.

Everything that is proposed gets the "Aye" from members of the floor because they are all on the same team. Never mind that the idea is NOT what the public wants or need...

So now lets see and hear more matured debates in the parliment. More careful thoughts presented in the debates. More solutions derived and not mere opposing of ideas for the sake of "menjatuhkan kawan"...

Its just too bad the voices of the non-Bumiputras are now more from the opposition, though.

Hi AnaRashid,

Welcome to this forum, nice to have you here. How about a brief intro?   

Like you I too voted for the opposition this time round, but unlike you, this would be my first time in doing so. Why? my reason is basically quite a simple - I don't think Pak Lah is a capable PM and I don't like the idea of putting the future of a nation into the hands of his 32 year old (despite his OXCAMBRIDGE background) son-in-law.

So, not being an umno member, this was the only way I was able to show my protest and I did just that, I voted for the other side.

[idzil]

Just to add ...

I don't TDM was wrong in saying that Pak Lah should resign. The signs are all there, written on the wall - if Pak Lah was to stay on, the remaining states will most likely fall into the hands of the opposition party in the next general election.

[samsul]

This would be my 1st posting in this thread after the elections ... last few nights were plenty of teh tariks & kopi-Os at the mamak discussing the election results, so didn't really had the time to log-on  .. even missed the msian open .. 

I would also have to admit that my votes were split - parliment to BN & state to BR (dont really think the term "opposition" is appropriate now) & I guess like many of my friends, we were making our protest through the ballot boxes, and for many of us, it was our 1st time voting for the BR. but even then, the magnitude of BN's defeat really surprised us. Let's hope this isn't the case of wanting to shake off the fruits from the tree but uprooting the entire tree instead.

Now that the dust has settled, so what's next? Its down to getting the real work done & delivering the promises - this would really be interesting to see. Cutting down inflation, reducing commodity & petrol prices?  How on earth would this possibly be achieved, I'm equally clueless - but we voted them in & that's what they promise to deliver ... Well! we'll just have to wait and see. We booted the butts out off the BN from Penang, Kedah, Perak & Sgor & I'm guessing if the BR doesn't deliver, we'll boot them out of office come next elections.

Hopefully, common sense prevail & the duty towards the rakyat overides any personal profits & there'll be no fighting over spoils of war. Winning Penang & Selangor, the 2 most industrialised states, is no small deal ... It would be interesting to see how DAP & PAS, with two very distinct idealogies, work hand-in-hand for the betterment of the rakyat.

The next few months would be interesting, so stay tuned! The voters are watching!